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UK Political System
#51
(20-12-18, 01:09 AM)smellybeard Wrote: In Ireland, some ministers may be drawn from the senate...

I posted a reply about separation of the parliament and the government here:
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=71&pid=3641#pid3641
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#52
(19-12-18, 09:55 PM)Forsete Wrote: In the UK, only members of parliament can be cabinet ministers, but that includes the Lords, as well as the members of the House of Commons. Since the Crown may appoint Lords, it is entirely possible to just make someone a Lord, thus making him a member of the House of Lords, in order to make him eligible for a cabinet post.

for those of you who struggle with this particular aspect of British democracy, here is the current list of members of the Lords. Enjoy and then scrub your bathroom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of...e_of_Lords
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#53
(20-12-18, 05:17 PM)Blackbeard's Ghost Wrote: for those of you who struggle with this particular aspect of British democracy, here is the current list of members of the Lords. Enjoy and then scrub your bathroom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of...e_of_Lords

Can't scrub bathroom - gave myself an RSI scrolling down the never-ending list Big Grin - and then there's the HoC, so in total about 1450 people - and Germany was moaning about its 778 (incl members of the Bundesrat)! No wonder that - in spite of some good attempts after the last election - they just can't get a decent disfunctional government going. They simply lack the man(woman)-power to lower the common IQ denominator sufficiently.
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#54
(20-12-18, 08:36 PM)Moonfire Wrote: Can't scrub bathroom - gave myself an RSI scrolling down the never-ending list Big Grin - and then there's the HoC, so in total about 1450 people - and Germany was moaning about its 778 (incl members of the Bundesrat)! No wonder that - in spite of some good attempts after the last election - they just can't get a decent disfunctional government going. They simply lack the man(woman)-power to lower the common IQ denominator sufficiently.

Oh, so that's what the problem is in Sweden! Not enough people in Parliament! To fix it like they do in the UK, I figure if maybe we round up the alcoholics in major cities and add them to the Parliament it may well tip the situation into some sort of government... Wink
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#55
(20-12-18, 08:36 PM)Moonfire Wrote: and then there's the HoC, so in total about 1450 people

The UK has the second largest parliament in the world - after China. 

See the 'Total' column in this table:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_le...mbers#List
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#56
The Economist is upset.

Britain's good chap model of government is coming apart:
https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/1...ming-apart

The elite that failed:
https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/1...hat-failed
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#57
(20-12-18, 11:43 PM)JacquesG Wrote: The Economist is upset.

Britain's good chap model of government is coming apart:
https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/1...ming-apart

The elite that failed:
https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/1...hat-failed

Thank you for the links, interesting, had a subscription of the Economist for a few years, discontinued it in 2017, to cut my links to UK, so to speak...    Angel
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#58
JacquesG - I went and read both articles you have linked. They seem rather spot on, and explain at least one aspect of the gigantic clusterfuck that is UK at the moment.

Casey, I don't subscribe to The Economist, but I have signed up for their morning briefing or some such, where they email you the 5 editors' picks articles to read every day for free. Sadly neither one of the above articles made it into those collections.
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#59
From the Indy today: Mary Dejevsky, "Brexit Britain is as precarious as the Soviet Union's final Days"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre...21506.html

Unfortunately, I'm not a subscriber so I can't read it.

It reminded me, however, of Yerchak's term "hypernormalisation" (everyone knows the system is failing but can't imagine anything other than the existing system).

There is a (quite long) documentary from Adam Curtis on a related subject, where he proposes that a "fake world" has been substituted for the real world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh2cDKyFdyU

It does, perhaps, explain some aspects of the British incomprehension with respect to the EU.
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#60
(20-09-18, 07:42 PM)Ajda Slovenia Wrote: Think written constitution

The Brexit blunder has fully exposed the underlying real problem in the UK: the UK does not have a democratic system in any modern sense of the word.


An interesting article by Mr. Bogdanor in the Guardian, among other topics on the problem that the UK has no written constitution:


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...-agreement
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