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News articles of interest (Brexit)
#41
Hi Claire, I really feel the need to apologise for the bizarre attitudes of my compatriots as demonstrated in that article. I'm tempted to say it is hypocrisy since whatever France may be considering is nothing in comparison to the restrictions to be placed on EU citizens in the UK. In truth, however, I don't think it is really hypocrisy in the "do what I do, not what I say sense" but more a woeful ignorance. There are many Brits, I'm sure, who have enjoyed the privileges of their EU citizenship without ever thinking "this is an advantage of being a European citizen" but have just taken those privileges as the "normal" way of doing things. This is combined with a certain arrogance that assumes that, because we are British, we are special and we don't need to follow the same rules as everybody else.
Throughout the referendum campaign we heard a lot of noise about "taking back control" of borders - but absolutely no acknowledgement that the EU also controls - and has to control - its external borders.
I'm at a loss to think of any easy solution to these problems but I guess my countrymen just need to be given a dose of reality and be confronted with the logical consequences of their decisions and their choices. Even then I'm not sure attitudes will change for a long time.
Malheureusement, être un connard n'est plus un obstacle à l'avancement dans l'angleterre d'aujourd'hui
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#42
(19-10-18, 05:15 PM)Viridian Wrote: The new (young) leader of the Dutch Liberal Democrats, Rob Jetten, has made a speech about Brexit on wednesday 17 okt in the House of Commons.

https://d66.nl/rob-jetten-speech-brexit/

It is extremely friendly and also funny. Obviously he doesn’t say anything about the conditions for returning.....

Great!!

Thanks for the link.
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#43
(19-10-18, 10:24 PM)Pablo Seville Wrote: Great!!

Yes, I enjoyed reading the speech too. Very entertaining.
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#44
(19-10-18, 05:43 PM)SwaziKing Wrote: British sense of humor in The Independent

After hearing how France wants to treat us after Brexit, I think it might be the end of my love affair with the country

The meaning of 3rd country is not understood in Britain.

I read that article with horror at the ignorance of the author. Some of the comments suggested it was supposed to be funny so I re-read it and I am still not sure.
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#45
@Blackbeard Ghost
Hi. No need to apologise for the ill-informed among your country-folk. If I did that for mine, I would waste too much precious time. What irks me is that this kind of drivel is printed in a newspaper like the Indy.
I think you are right about the advantages of being in the EU taken for granted. I sometimes have (gentle) rows with some of my friends who don't realise that, would the the EU implode, many things would change for them for the worse. Be it only on FoM, how happy would the citizens of continental Europe to go back to border checks and limitation of currency, as I experienced them in former days? 
The EU is ours to change for a better distribution of wealth, better social legislation... The falling back to our limited and dangerous national community frightens me. 
"Les cons ça ose tout. C'est même à cela qu'on les reconnaît." (Michel Audiard in Les Tontons flingueurs) Big Grin  
Cheers
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#46
Is the UK preparing for a major U-turn? Is Brexit being shelved?
Or is the UK expecting the EU to accept all British demands?

Sky Views: Guess who's least prepared for no-deal Brexit?

The passiveness of the British Government is surprising, they are supposed to be working for their people.
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#47
(22-10-18, 10:04 AM)SwaziKing Wrote: Is the UK preparing for a major U-turn? Is Brexit being shelved?
Or is the UK expecting the EU to accept all British demands?

The UK is expecting the EU to accept all British demands - the UK keeps digging ever deeper hole for itself.

Thanks for the link.

See news update here (22 October):
http://debateuncensored.x10host.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=130&pid=1154#pid1154
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#48
(22-10-18, 10:04 AM)SwaziKing Wrote: Is the UK preparing for a major U-turn? Is Brexit being shelved?
Or is the UK expecting the EU to accept all British demands?

The UK is expecting the EU to accept all British demands - the UK keeps digging an ever deeper hole for itself.

See news update (22 Oct):
http://debateuncensored.x10host.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=130&pid=1154#pid1154
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#49
This might be of interest although I am certainly not knowledgeable enough to understand its implications. This comment and link were posted on EUreferendum.com:

Quote:1. Brexit demands a border and so too do WTO terms
2. The Good Friday Agreement demands NO Border on the Island of Ireland
3. The Treaty of Union demands NO Border between any constituent part of the UK

England can have its Brexit or its UK union but not both.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/1698986...the-union/

Check out the comments.
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#50

The claim "England can have its Brexit or its UK union but not both" is in a way correct - except that it is too late for exit from Brexit.

See this Real European's comment which excellently sumarises the situation that the UK has cornered itself into:
http://debateuncensored.x10host.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3&pid=994#pid994

And my comment about united Ireland being the only long-term solution:
http://debateuncensored.x10host.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3&pid=9#pid9

Check the comments at the above thread (Brexit scenarios available to the UK: solving the riddle of Irish land border) - I only did a quick search. There has been quite a lot of debate about legal constraints limiting the options available to the UK.
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