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Signs of fascism in the UK
(12-02-20, 07:24 PM)Cacadores Wrote: ********* My reply:
Actually, if you read more current evidence from the last five years, you will find there are no inaccuracies in my post and there are some in yours. But thank you very much for replying. It is good to be interested in our past and how we got here. 

Care to provide some links

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Yes. And consistent with what I wrote. But note, although the rulers were Vikings, the people were Britons. And they resisted, having a number of uprisings against Norman rule, a fact which becomes significant later.


The Celts were what is usually described as Britons and it was not until the Act of Union that the term was used to refer to all the inhabitants. Following the incursion of the Anglo-Saxons after the Roman Empire they were largely pushed to Wales, Scotland and Ireland, but what would become England itself split into five Kingdoms; Northumbria, Mercia, East Anglia, Essex, Kent, and Wessex; Northumbria, Mercia were Anglo-Saxon and East Anglia Viking, even before the Norman invasion. Your contention (at least from your original remarks) that Celts were the only Britons is wrong since throughout history this country has been subject to many changes and influences. The rights we enjoy are largely the creation of the post Norman period.
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British man sleeping on streets in Europe after being blocked from entering UK

Exclusive: Fatush Lala, who has lived in UK for 20 years with British citizenship, stranded in Brussels after Home Office revokes passport with no warning – rendering him stateless

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...32311.html
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(13-02-20, 11:59 AM)psc Wrote: The Celts were what is usually described as Britons and it was not until the Act of Union that the term was used to refer to all the inhabitants.
 
DNA, DNA, DNA has changed the whole paradigm. Thank you for your interest but look up the current DNA research. The term "Celts" started to become widely used in Britain in the Victorian period. The word Keltoi and Celtae are Latin and Greek, reflectng the people they met. But any movement of these Celtae that could have reached Britain was in the last millennium BC. But the DNA of British people is far older! So we can't be Celts!

The pre-Roman inhabitants have always been called "Britons". There is no evidence there was ever an invasion of Celts into England. The word "Keltoii" was used by the various Gaullish tribes as a language identifier and they, at most, may have come to Britain around 500BC. They seem to be linked to the Belgae and Icini in modern Kent and East Anglia. Who had nothing to do with the Welsh or Scots! Our DNA is far older. 

Before mass DNA testing became possible, pre-historians were wedded to the "out of Mesopotania" story of the spread of civilisation, technology and farming by invasion and migrations westward. Supporting this paradigm, is the spread of pottery styles, decorative motifs and language. 

But that paradigm is now falling down. 

(13-02-20, 11:59 AM)psc Wrote: Following the incursion of the Anglo-Saxons after the Roman Empire they were largely pushed to Wales, Scotland and Ireland,
 
"Pushed"? No. The DNA evidence has debunked that idea thoroughly. The Anglo-Saxons were never more than a minority elite, forming 25% of the English gene pool at most. No, the modern Englishman is a far more ancient Englishman. 

Here's a reasonable general summary:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/...144feab7de
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(13-02-20, 11:59 AM)psc Wrote:  but what would become England itself split into five Kingdoms; Northumbria, Mercia, East Anglia, Essex, Kent, and Wessex; Northumbria, Mercia were Anglo-Saxon and East Anglia Viking, even before the Norman invasion.
 
No. The rulers were Anglo-Saxon or Viking. 

(13-02-20, 11:59 AM)psc Wrote:
 Your contention (at least from your original remarks) that Celts were the only Britons is wrong since throughout history this country has been subject to many changes and influences. 

No. There is no DNA evidence the Celts came to Britain. The original "Keltoii" speakers were concentrated in the Hallstatt region of Central Europe. Evidence: pottery. These people are then associated with the Eastern influenced La Tene culture which spread from Turkey to Spain. Evidence: artistic styles. But the idea that the Welsh, Irish and Scots are particularly connected to these people is not supported by the DNA. For starters the Scots look different to the Welsh. And secondly, most of the DNA of English people comes from Britons cut off in Britain at the end of the last ice age. Ipso facto, modern Britons are mainly descended from ancient Britons. 

(13-02-20, 11:59 AM)psc Wrote:
The rights we enjoy are largely the creation of the post Norman period.

If that is true, then how do you explain the pre-Norman common law terms that continued after 1066?
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(13-02-20, 04:20 PM)JacquesG Wrote: British man sleeping on streets in Europe after being blocked from entering UK

Exclusive: Fatush Lala, who has lived in UK for 20 years with British citizenship, stranded in Brussels after Home Office revokes passport with no warning – rendering him stateless

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...32311.html

Home Office finally lets British man sleeping on streets in Europe come home – but charges him £100


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...34781.html
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(14-02-20, 03:50 PM)JacquesG Wrote: Home Office finally lets British man sleeping on streets in Europe come home – but charges him £100


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...34781.html

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So the Government lets a foreign-born man come to Britain. 

You are against that, I take it.
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(14-02-20, 03:50 PM)JacquesG Wrote: Home Office finally lets British man sleeping on streets in Europe come home – but charges him £100


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...34781.html

disgusting but that's boris's britain for you.. imagine the eu nationals on shaky ground in the uk
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(14-02-20, 07:06 PM)Ranter. Wrote: disgusting but that's boris's britain for you.. imagine the eu nationals on shaky ground in the uk

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Disgusting that the Government lets a foreign-born man come to Britain?

Good one. 
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