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  The next PM
Posted by: ServalBrennus - 24-05-19, 03:18 PM - Forum: UK Politics - Replies (1)

Who will be the next PM

theresa may has annonced her resignation today.

The favorites :

boris johnson  
  • Former foreign secretary and mayor of London
  • Voted leave and has become an increasingly hardline Brexiteer 
  • As likely to make headlines over his private life
  • Has recently lost a lot of weight and smartened up his appearance
  • Leadership odds 5/4
dominic raab 
  • Shortlived Brexit secretary last year, replacing David Davis in the hot seat 
  • But walked in November over terms agreed by PM
  • Voted for Brexit in 2016
  • Leadership odds 4/1 
andrea leadsom
  • The Commons' Leader challenged May in 2016
  • Voted for Brexit 
  • Hosted Brexiteer 'pizza party' plot last year 
  • Increasingly outspoken Brexiteer
  • Leadership odds 10/1 
michael gove 
  • Leading Vote Leave figure in 2016 who now backs PM's Brexit deal
  • Former journalist, 51,  who stood for leadership in 2016
  • Was sacked as education minister by Theresa May
  • Later returned as Environment Minister
  • Leadship  odds 10/1
jeremy hunt
  • The Foreign Secretary voted Remain 
  • But has become an increasingly vocal Brexiteer
  • Former health secretary backs May's deal
  • Has approached ministers about running as a unity candidate
  • Leadership odds 16/1 
penny mordaunt
  • The MP for Portsmouth North is a Royal Navy reservist
  • Highly regarded in Brexiteer circles 
  • She has been consistently tipped to quit over Brexit but remains in the Cabinet 
  • Once appeared in a swimsuit in a reality TV show 
  • Leadership odds 20/1
sajid javid
  • The most senior cabinet contender
  • Voted Remain but wants to see Brexit delivered
  • Faced criticism as Home Secretary 
  • But has taken a hard line on Shamima Begum case 
  • Leadership odds 25/1
rory steward
  • Penrith MP, 46, is a former tutor to the Dukes of Cambridge and Sussex
  • Old Etonian ex-soldier worked for Foreign Office in Iraq and set up a charity for the Prince of Wales in Afghanistan
  • Voted for Remain and still backs a soft Brexit
  • Leadership odds  25/1
matt hancock
  • The youngest front-runner at 40
  • A Remainer who now backs Theresa May's Brexit deal
  • He wants the party to look to the future and attract younger voters
  • Leadership odds 33/1
esther mcvey
  • The 51-year-old was Work and Pensions Secretary until quitting in November
  • She was a presenter on GMTV before entering politics
  • Is engaged to fellow Tory MP Philip Davies
  • This week launched a 'blue collar Conservatism' project 
  • Leadership odds 66/1 

Say who is yours ? An why do you think he/she will be the next PM.


PS : the informations come from an impartial and reliable source : the daily mail   Tongue

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  Brexit : Behind closed doors
Posted by: ServalBrennus - 18-05-19, 03:56 PM - Forum: Brexit from UK and EU27 perspective - Replies (4)

Did you watch the documentary 

Brexit : Behind closed doors (in two parts)

It's a sociopolitical documentary hosted by Lode Desmet, published by BBC broadcasted as part of BBC Storyville series in 2019 - (English narration)
Lode Desmet (Belgian) is an award winning international documentary filmmaker who has made films for & in co-production with most European broadcasters – ARTE and BBC included. (More about him)

Lode Desmet has had exclusive access to the Brexit co ordinator of the European parliament, Guy Verhofstadt, and his close knit team. This revelatory fly-on-the-wall film captures the off-the-record conversations and arguments of the European negotiators as they devise their strategy for dealing with the British. 
Part 1 watches as the Europeans’ respect for a formidable negotiating opponent turns into frustration and incredulity as the British fail to present a united front. At moments funny and tragic, it ends with the debacle in December 2017 when Theresa May flies in to Brussels to finalise details of a deal and is publically humiliated by her coalition partner, Arlene Foster of the DUP, who refuses to support the deal. 
Part 2 follows the rollercoaster events from December 2017 to the present day. Europe watches on incredulously as divisions in the British parliament and cabinet become more bitter and leave the talks paralysed. Eighteen months after the referendum, Britain still does not know what it wants and spends more time discussing internally than negotiating with Europe. Respect for Britain turns to irritation and finally ridicule.


part 1 


Part 2


Say what you think about this documentary.
Is it conform to what you thought about the negotiations, the british negotiators or the Europeans one ?

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  After the Sibiu Declaration
Posted by: Real European - 09-05-19, 05:19 PM - Forum: EU Politics - Replies (26)

After the Sibiu Declaration on 9 May 2019

Today an informal meeting of the 27 heads of goverment/state took place in Sibiu, Romania, where they discussed "strategic plans for the Union in the coming years". 
They agreed to meet again on 28 May in Brussels to discuss the results of the European elections.


The adopted the following text:

Quote:The Sibiu Declaration

We, the Leaders of the European Union, have gathered in Sibiu to discuss and look ahead to our common future.

In a few weeks, Europeans will elect their representatives in the European Parliament, forty years after they first exercised this fundamental right. A Europe re-united in peace and democracy is but one of many achievements. Since its inception, the European Union, driven by its values and freedoms, has provided stability and prosperity across Europe, within and beyond its borders. Over the years, it has grown into a major player on the international scene. Gathering around half a billion citizens, with a competitive single market, it is a leader in worldwide trade, and shapes global politics.

We reaffirm our belief that united, we are stronger in this increasingly unsettled and challenging world. We recognise our responsibility as Leaders to make our Union stronger and our future brighter, while recognising the European perspective of other European States. That is why today we unanimously agree on 10 commitments that will help us live up to that responsibility:
  • We will defend one Europe - from East to West, from North to South. Thirty years ago millions of people fought for their freedom and for unity and brought down the Iron Curtain, which had divided Europe for decades. There is no place for divisions that work against our collective interest.
  • We will stay united, through thick and thin. We will show each other solidarity in times of need and we will always stand together. We can and we will speak with one voice.
  • We will always look for joint solutions, listening to each other in a spirit of understanding and respect.
  • We will continue to protect our way of life, democracy and the rule of law. The unalienable rights and the fundamental freedoms of all Europeans were hard fought and will never be taken for granted. We will uphold our shared values and principles enshrined in the Treaties.
  • We will deliver where it matters most. Europe will continue to be big on big matters. We will continue to listen to the concerns and hopes of all Europeans, bringing the Union closer to our citizens, and we will act accordingly, with ambition and determination.
  • We will always uphold the principle of fairness, whether it be in the labour market, in welfare, in the economy or in the digital transformation. We will further reduce disparities between us and we will always help the most vulnerable in Europe, putting people before politics.
  • We will give ourselves the means to match our ambitions. We will provide the Union with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies.
  • We will safeguard the future for the next generations of Europeans. We will invest in young people and build a Union fit for the future, able to cope with the most pressing challenges of the 21st century.
  • We will protect our citizens and keep them safe by investing in our soft and hard power and by working with our international partners.
  • Europe will be a responsible global leader. The challenges we face today affect us all. We will continue working with our partners in the world to uphold and develop the rules-based international order, to make the most of new trading opportunities and to jointly tackle global issues such as preserving our environment and fighting climate change.
The decisions we take will follow the spirit and letter of these 10 commitments. The Union of today is stronger than that of yesterday and we want to continue to build its strength for tomorrow. This is our commitment for the future generations. This is the spirit of Sibiu and of a new Union at 27 ready to embrace its future as one.


Source: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press...claration/

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  'Say Yes to Europe' flight schedules
Posted by: Real European - 29-04-19, 12:27 PM - Forum: EU Politics - Replies (8)

'Say Yes to Europe' flight schedules

I thought I'd open a new thread for those of you interested in following the whereabouts of this beautiful Lufthanasa Airbus A320 that has the the slogan “SayYesToEurope” in large letters across its fuselage.

This link shows the flight history of the aicraft with registration number D-AIZG and also shows its planned flights one or two days ahead:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/d-aizg

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Provisional flight schedule for 29 april 2019 (can be subject to change, please check above link for latest information)

all scheduled times in local time

LH1060: Frankfurt (12:40)  -  Nice (14:05) - currently airborne https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH05T/205454e1   LANDED (14:20)

LH1061: Nice (14:50)  -   Frankfurt (16:25) - currently airborne https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH87E/2054a549   LANDED (16:37)


LH1046: Frankfurt (17:20) - Paris CDG (18:30) - currently airborne https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH81J/20551abf

LH1047: Paris CDG (19:30) - Frankfurt(20:40)

LH1370: Frankfurt (22:00) - Krakow (23:30)


to track any of those flights,

  • go  to https://www.flightradar24.com
  • enter D-AIZG in the search box
  • you will get a drop down menu with the flight and:
  • if the filght is airborne, there will be an aircraft icon next to the flight. Clicking this aircraft icon will show it on the map
  • if the flight is not airborne, there will be an (i) icon next to the flight that will lead you to the flight schedule of D-AIZG.
Kindly take into account that flights may be delayed and that the schedule of this particular aircraft can be changed altogether.

If you have a subscription with FR24 (cheapest one costs 9.99€ per year) you can set up e-mail alerts for this aircraft for a specified location or area. So you could set up an alert to be warned when the aircraft is, for instance, in French or Slovenian airspace.

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  Scotland - another independence referendum
Posted by: Blackbeard's Ghost - 25-04-19, 04:21 PM - Forum: Brexit from UK and EU27 perspective - Replies (6)

Scotland - another independence referendum

So Nicola Sturgeon announced that the SNP will seek to initiate another independence referendum should Britain leave the EU. My first impression is that this is intended to up the pressure on May by suggesting that leaving the EU will be the end of the UK.

Let's assume that Brexit finally occurs and the Scots push for independence. Would they win a referendum? What would be the ramifications? What would the EU's attitude be?

Could the SNP win? I think they could because Scotland voted to remain and it is quite clear that the Westminster has completely ignored Scottish sentiment. In the last referendum the unionists sold staying in the UK as the only way to stay in the EU. That won't work anymore.

Ramifications: if separating the UK from the EU is more complex than people imagined, I think the complexity of separating Scotland from the rUK would be even bigger. How do they define who is Scottish? How do they work out pension entitlements? What about currency? Many of these issues were raised and fudged last time around and will surely come up again;

If Scotland leaves the UK, what happens to Northern Ireland's attitude toward the Union?
If Scotland wants to rejoin the EU - bearing in mind it satisfies the acquis - would they accept to join the euro and Schengen? And how would they manage their border with an non-EU state? 
Will the EU be sympathetic to a Scottish application? Spain was negative last time because of fears of encouraging Catalonia. Will leaving a non-EU state be considered differently?

Lots of questions, very few answers. Thought anyone?

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  (12) After extension of extension: Haloween Brexit (from 11 April 2019)
Posted by: Ajda Slovenia - 11-04-19, 06:59 AM - Forum: Brexit from UK and EU27 perspective - Replies (512)

(12) After extension of extension: Haloween Brexit (from 11 April 2019)

Here we continue coverage of the Great Brexit Saga. Yesterday the EU27 extended the exit date again, until 31 October 2019. And it is a flextension - the UK can orderly exit as soos as it ratifies the WA.

Now WHAT for the UK?



On this thread

Extension documents
coming soon

Press conferences after the emergency Brexit meeting of the European Council on 10 April 2019
coming soon



News update

11 April (maybe)




Timeline

2018

25 November (Sunday): the special EU summit (approval of the WA and the PD)
13 December (Thursday) Brexit meeting of the EU27 Council (27 PMs/presidents); EU27 preparations for no deal  

2019

15 January (Tuesday) first rejection of the WA in the HoC
16 January (Wednesday) vote of no confidence in PM in HoC
23 January (Wednesday) SIX YEARS since Cameron announced the Brexit referendum 
14 February (Thursday) PM May suffers another defeat in the fourth meaningless vote at HoC (MPs cancel what they voted for on 29 Jan)  
12 March (Tuesday) second rejection of the WA in the HoC
13 March (Wednesday) the 7th meaningless vote in HoC - the MPs reject no deal (by not actually ruling it out)
14 March (Thursday) the 8th meaningless vote in the HoC - about extension of A50
20 March (Wednesday) PM May sends second extension letter to the EU27; gives her 'MPs are enemies of the people' speech
21-22 March (Thursday and Friday) regular meeting of the European Council (28 PMs/presidents); EU27 extend A50 to 12 April
23 March (Saturday) People's Vote March
27 March (Wednesday) indicative votes in the HoC (all 8 options rejected)
29 March (Friday) deadline for HoC to adopt the WA ---> ordered exit on 22 May
29 March (Friday) [b]third rejection of the WA in the HoC[/b]
1 April (Monday) second indicative votes in HoC
9 April (Tuesday) UK starts procedures for EU elections
10 April (Wednesday) emergency EU summit - flextension of extension until 31 October

11-22 April (Friday to Monday) HoC on holidays (Easter)

15-18 April (Monday to Thursday): last plenary session of the European Parliament in this mandate (= last chance to ratify the WA)

23-26 May EU elections

9 May (Victory in Europe day) EU summit in Sibiu, Romania (first EU summit without the UK)

20-21 June EU summit

1 July Finland takes over the Council presidency (from Romania)

2 July (Tuesday) new MEPs sworn in

2-4 July first session of the new European Parliament

July hearings of a candidate for president of the European Commission

21-25 September Labour party conference

29 Sep - 2 Oct Tory party conference

17-18 October EU summit

31 October (Thursday) B3-day - third cliff edge

1 November new European Commission

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  Please vote to send the EU's Anthem to Mars !
Posted by: Real European - 26-03-19, 06:38 PM - Forum: Brexit from UK and EU27 perspective - Replies (4)

Please vote to send the EU's Anthem to Mars !

ESA is organising a competition to send your voice to Mars. Only the selected message will be transmitted back to earth

The EU Anthem (Ode to Joy) has been submitted and you can vote for it.  

To vote for it,

  1. go to the page below and vote for the EU Anthem.
  2. You will get an email containing a link you have to click to validate your vote. Failure to validate means that your vote doesn't count. So don't forget to validate your vote.
Direct link to EU Anthem voting page:https://mars.vesmir.cz/detail/tSayM7oK


Please also spread the word on Social Media. Thanks.

(All submissions of the contest on this spage)

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  (10) After the EU27 take back control and extend (from 22 March 2019)
Posted by: Ajda Slovenia - 22-03-19, 12:11 PM - Forum: Brexit from UK and EU27 perspective - Replies (98)

(10) After the EU27 take back control and extend (from 22 March 2019)

Here we continue coverage of the Great Brexit Saga. Yesterday the EU27 kindly extended the exit date, but under conditions.

Now WHAT for the UK?



On this thread

Extension documents
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...53#pid6953

Press conferences after the Brexit meeting of the European Council on 21 March 2019
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...54#pid6954

Press conferences after the European Council on 21-22 March 2019 (about both days)
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...79#pid6979




News update

22 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...58#pid6958
23 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...90#pid6990
25 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...29#pid7029
26 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...58#pid7058
28 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...80#pid7180
30 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...12#pid7312

1 April: Second indicative votes - debate here:  Exclamation  
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...29#pid7329



Timeline

2018

25 November (Sunday): the special EU summit (approval of the WA and the PD)
11 December (Tuesday) the 1st meaningless vote cancelled by PM May
13 December (Thursday) Brexit meeting of the EU27 Council (27 PMs/presidents); EU27 preparations for no deal  


2019

15 January (Tuesday) the 2nd meaningless vote on the WA in the HoC (MPs totally reject the WA)
16 January (Wednesday) vote of no confidence in PM in HoC
23 January (Wednesday) SIX YEARS since Cameron announced the Brexit referendum 
29 January (Tuesday) the 3rd meaningless vote - HoC votes about May's plan B (the Brady amendment gets a thin majority)
14 February (Thursday) PM May suffers another defeat in the fourth meaningless vote at HoC (MPs cancel what they voted for on 29 Jan)  
24-25 February (Sunday and Monday) EU-League of Arab States summit in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt; May has meetings with Tusk in Egypt ('no deal in the desert')
27 February (Wednesday) the 5th meaningless vote in HoC cancelled by PM May; replaced by another amendment farce
12 March (Tuesday) the 6th meaningless vote in HoC - MPs reject the WA+PD again
13 March (Wednesday) Brexit debate in the European Parliament
13 March (Wednesday) the 7th meaningless vote in HoC - the MPs reject no deal (by not actually ruling it out)
14 March (Thursday) the 8th meaningless vote in the HoC - about extension of A50
18 March (Monday) speaker Bercow rules out another vote on the WA
19 March (Tuesday) EU27 GAC about Brexit
20 March (Wednesday) PM May sends extension letter to the EU27; gives her 'MPs are enemies of the people' speech

21-22 March (Thursday and Friday) regular meeting of the European Council (28 PMs/presidents); EU27 extend A50 under conditions

23 March (Saturday) People's Vote March

24 March (Sunday) yet another attempt to oust May (at Chequers)

25 March (Monday) May meets her war cabinet, reports to HoC about the European Council, indicative votes?

27 March (Wednesday) Tusk and Juncker report about Brexit extension at the European Parliament plenary (at 9.00 CET)

27 March (Wednesday) indicative votes in the HoC (all 8 options rejected)

29 March (Friday) Barnier in Warsaw, sppech at College of Europe

29 March (Friday) deadline for HoC to adopt the WA ---> ordered exit on 22 May

29 March (Friday) HoC rejects the WA for the 4th time

29 March midnight CET (Friday evening) Brexit postponed

30 March (Saturday) meeting of May's war cabinet???

1 April (Monday) second indicative votes in HoC

1 April (Monday) Sinn Fein leaders in Brussels debating Brexit (with Verhofstadt and Barnier)

2 April (Tuesday) "Deal or no deal? The state of play on Brexit" at EPC in Brussels at 8.00 CET (speakers: Barnier, Zuleeg)

2 April (Tuesday) Barnier debates at the European Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committe in Brussels

2 April (Tuesday) meeting of May's war cabinet (five hours)

2 April (Tuesday) Varadkar has a Brexit meeting with Macron in Paris

3 April (Wednesday) 3rd indicavive votes in the HoC???? Cooper bill about extending A50 passed by HoC

3 April (Wednesday) start of May-Corbyn talks

4 April (Thursday) Varadkar has a Brexit meeting with Merkel in Dublin

4 April (Thursday) Barnier in Sweden

4 April (Thursday) 4th vote about the WA in HoC??? HoL debate Cooper law; flood in HoC

4 April (Thursday) May-Corbyn talks continue at technical level

5 April (Friday) May sends extension-of-extension letter to the EU27; Tory-Labour talks break down

7-8 April (Sunday-Monday) Juncker in Rwanda

Arrow 8 April (Monday) Barnier in Ireland

9 April (Tuesday) 21st EU-China summit in Brussels

10 April (Wednesday) emergency EU summit at 6 pm in Brussels

12 April (Thursday) new cliff edge; deadline for the UK to send plan how to proceed and start legislating for the EU elections

15-18 April (Monday to Thursday): last plenary session of the European Parliament in this mandate (= last chance to ratify the WA)

22 May (Wednesday) UK's orderly exit IF the WA is ratified

23-26 May EU elections

9 May (Victory in Europe day) EU summit in Sibiu, Romania (first EU summit without the UK)

20-21 June EU summit

1 July Finland takes over the Council presidency (from Romania)

2 July (Tuesday) new MEPs sworn in

2-4 July first session of the new European Parliament

July hearings of a candidate for president of the European Commission

17-18 October EU summit

1 November new European Commission

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  Future of EU: Federalism, or United States of Europe?
Posted by: ύδωρ περάσουσιν - 17-03-19, 10:07 AM - Forum: EU Politics - Replies (50)

Future of EU: Federalism, or United States of Europe?




Does it start here :


Solemn Declaration on European Union (Stuttgart, 19 June 1983):

The Heads of State or Government of the Member States of the European Communities, meeting within the European Council,
 
resolved to continue the work begun on the basis of the Treaties of Paris and Rome and to create a united Europe, […]
 
considering that the European idea, the results achieved in the fields of economic integration and political cooperation, and the need for new developments correspond to the wishes of the democratic peoples of Europe, for whom the European Parliament, elected by universal suffrage, is an indispensable means of expression,
 
determined to work together to promote democracy on the basis of the fundamental rights recognized in the constitutions and laws of the Member States, in the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and the European Social Charter, notably freedom, equality and social justice,[…]

resolved to accord a high priority to the Community's social progress and in particular to the problem of employment by the development of a European social policy,
 
convinced that, by speaking with a single voice in foreign policy, including political aspects of security, Europe can contribute to the preservation of peace, […]

have adopted the following:
 
1 Objectives
 
1.1 The Heads of State or Government, on the basis of an awareness of a common destiny and the wish to affirm the European identity, confirm their commitment to progress towards an ever closer union among the peoples and Member States of the European Community.
 


Or did it start here:

Victor Hugo, le 21 août 1849, à l'occasion du Congrès international de la paix de Paris:
Un jour viendra où les armes vous tomberont des mains, à vous aussi !
Un jour viendra où la guerre paraîtra aussi absurde et sera aussi impossible entre Paris et Londres, entre Pétersbourg et Berlin, entre Vienne et Turin, qu'elle serait impossible et qu'elle paraîtrait absurde aujourd'hui entre Rouen et Amiens, entre Boston et Philadelphie.
Un jour viendra où vous France, vous Russie, vous Italie, vous Angleterre, vous Allemagne, vous toutes nations du continent, sans perdre vos qualités distinctes et votre glorieuse individualité, vous vous fondrez étroitement dans une unité supérieure, et vous constituerez la fraternité européenne, absolument comme la Normandie, la Bretagne, la Bourgogne, la Lorraine, l'Alsace, toutes nos provinces, se sont fondues dans la France.
Un jour viendra où il n'y aura plus d'autres champs de bataille que les marchés s'ouvrant au commerce et les esprits s'ouvrant aux idées.
Un jour viendra où les boulets et les bombes seront remplacés par les votes, par le suffrage universel des peuples, par le vénérable arbitrage d'un grand sénat souverain qui sera à l'Europe ce que le parlement est à l'Angleterre, ce que la diète est à l'Allemagne, ce que l'Assemblée législative est à la France.
Un jour viendra où l'on montrera un canon dans les musées comme on y montre aujourd'hui un instrument de torture, en s'étonnant que cela ait pu être.
A day will come when the weapons will fall from your hands, to you too!
A day will come when war will appear as absurd and as impossible between Paris and London, between Petersburg and Berlin, between Vienna and Turin, it would be impossible and it would seem absurd today between Rouen and Amiens, between Boston and Philadelphia.
A day will come when you France, you Russia, you Italy, you England, you Germany, you all nations of the continent, without losing your distinct qualities and your glorious individuality, you will merge closely in a higher unity, and you will constitute the European fraternity just like Normandy, Brittany, Burgundy, Lorraine, Alsace, all our provinces, have melted into France.
A day will come when there will be no other battlefields than markets open to trade and minds opening to ideas.
A day will come when the balls and the bombs will be replaced by the votes, by the universal suffrage of the people, by the venerable arbitration of a great sovereign senate which will be to Europe what the Parliament is to England, what the diet is to Germany, which the Legislative Assembly is to France.
A day will come when a cannon will be shown in museums, as we now see an instrument of torture, astonished that it could have been.

Ou encore, Victor Hugo, le 17 juillet 1851, à l'Assemblé législative:
Le peuple français a taillé dans le granit indestructible et posé au milieu du continent monarchique de l'Europe la première assise de cet immense édifice qui s'appellera un jour les Etats-Unis d'Europe.
The French people carved in the indestructible granite and laid in the middle of the monarchical continent of Europe the first base of this immense building, which will one day be called the United States of Europe.
 
Et enfin, Victor Hugo, dans le guide de l’Exposition universelle de 1867:
Elle s'appellera l'Europe, au XXe siècle, et, aux siècles suivants, plus transfigurée encore, elle s'appellera l'Humanité.
It will be called Europe in the twentieth century, and in the following centuries, still more transfigured, it will be called Humanity.
 

[All translations with Google Translate.]



Have you, among all the EU27 countries, similar texts ? It would be nice to share them here. All the XIXth, XXth and XXIst centuries texts are interesting.
 
So, many questions to be set today:
  • Is there a difference between an “ever closer Union” and the “United States of Europe” ? or is it only one step ?
  • Would it frighten your country, and be a cause for leaving ?
  • What does that mean in constitutional terms ? Constitutional Monarchy or Republic ? How many chambers in Parliament ?
  • What would be the successive steps to reinforce our beloved Union ?
  • Is there compatibility between the general European progress and a several-speeds Union ? That means : have the States which do not want to go further have the right to stop the ones which do want it ?
  • What does this mean in socio-economical terms ? Taxes, social and health policies, education (beyond Erasmus) ? Industrial management ?
  • A common defence ? An European army ?
  • What ways to deepen our citizenship ?
These are general questions, it would be nice to talk about those topics together. Especially if several of us do not support federalism, or are suspicious about it. Their arguments will be welcome, as far as I think that federalism is a peaceful process, a target that will only be achieved in a distant future.
 
There are numerous individual issues, anyway :
  • Do you think that “United States of Europe” or “Federalism” are Godwin points ?
  • Going further, do you think possible to think together constructively and quietly a way to federalism ?
  • Is the population of your country favorable to federalism ? What part of it ? Is it part of the progressive, or the conservative wing ?
  • Are the federalists seen as targets for the far-right or far-left movements ?
  • What are your difficulties in explaining what means the European federalism to your friends and loved ones ?

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  (9) From 'no deal in the desert' towards cliff edge (after 23 Feb 2019)
Posted by: Ajda Slovenia - 24-02-19, 12:22 PM - Forum: Brexit from UK and EU27 perspective - Replies (611)

(9) From 'no deal in the desert' towards cliff edge (after 23 Feb 2019)

So we have had some four meaningless votes or so with all the farcical drama about nothingness, and PM May is now off to stalk the EU27 leaders at the EU-Arab summit in Egypt (which does not have Brexit on the agenda). So time to turn a page and start a new thread here, before the next meaningless drama next week.

Here is the place to debate the developments in the run-up to the B-day on 29 March 2019. You can also chew on the fallout of the meaningless vote here.

I compiled below a list of important Brexit and other dates (I am inserting updates as more news emerge).


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Image URL (larger version): http://debateuncensored.co.uk/attachment.php?aid=87
Note: The image needs an update - the meaningless vote did in the end not happen on 11 Dec 2018 but rather on 15 Jan 2019.




News update

24 February http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...14#pid6014
25 February http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...33#pid6033
26 February http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...86#pid6086
27 February http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...09#pid6109
28 February http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...55#pid6155
1 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...06#pid6206
2 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...15#pid6215
5 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...71#pid6271
7 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...16#pid6316
8 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...69#pid6369
9 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...92#pid6392
10 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...02#pid6402
11 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...25#pid6425

Breakthrough on 11 March 2019: how Global Britain blinked
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...74#pid6474

Your guide for HoC voting about extension today (14 Mar 2019)   
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...80#pid6580

17 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...87#pid6687
19 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...54#pid6754
20 March http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...08#pid6808

PM May's extension letter (20 March 2019)  Exclamation  
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...28#pid6828

Barnier's very first Brexit press conference on 6 December 2016
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...83#pid6883

EU summit on 21 March 2019
http://debateuncensored.co.uk/showthread...86#pid6886




Timeline

25 November (Sunday): the special EU summit (approval of the WA and the PD)

11 December (Tuesday) the 1st meaningless vote cancelled by PM May

13 December (Thursday) Brexit meeting of the EU27 Council (27 PMs/presidents); EU27 preparations for no deal  


2019

7 January (Monday) UK started no-deal chaos rehearsals with hired lorries in Kent

15 January (Tuesday) the 2nd meaningless vote on the WA in the HoC (MPs totally reject the WA)

16 January (Wednesday) vote of no confidence in PM in HoC

21 January (Monday) UK's deadline for voting about the WA in the HoC (due to needed legislative procedures)  Exclamation  

21 January (Monday) PM May to present plan B to HoC (after MPs torpedoed the WA)

22 January (Tuesday) signing of Aachen Treaty between Germany and France on friendship and cooperation

23 January (Wednesday) SIX YEARS since Cameron announced the Brexit referendum 

29 January (Tuesday) the 3rd meaningless vote - HoC votes about May's plan B (the Brady amendment gets a thin majority)

7 February (Thursday) PM May in Brussles to explain her latest cunning plan (meetings with Juncker, Tusk, Tajani, Verhofstadt)

8 February (Friday) PM May meets PM Varadkar in Dublin to explain her latest cunning plan (dinner)

11 February (Monday) Barclay and Lidington have a meeting with Barnier in Brussels (dinner)

12 February (Tuesday) PM May gives a Brexit statement in HoC

12 February (Tuesday) Barclay and Lidington have a meeting with Verhofstadt in Strassbourg

13 February (Wednesday) PM May's self-imposed deadline to come to HoC with a renegotiated 'deal' cancelled - moved to 27 Feb

13 February (Wednesday) PM May speaks in HoC about Brexit progress

13 February (Wednesday) start of trial Eurotunnel vs UK government (re the Shipless Pizza Company)

14 February (Thursday) PM May suffers another defeat in the fourth meaningless vote at HoC (MPs cancel what they voted for on 29 Jan)  Big Grin  

15-17 February (Friday to Sunday) Munich Security Conference

14-25 February (Thursday to next Monday) UK parliament on holidays quasi-cancelled, but no big votes

18 February (Monday) Brexit secretary Barclay and attorney general Geoffrey Cox meet Barnier in Brussels

20 February (Wednesday) PM May meets Juncker and Barnier in Brussels

21 February (Thursday) Corbyn meets Barnier in Brussels; Barclay and Cox meet Barnier too

21 February (Thursday) informal meeting of EU trade ministers in Bucharest, with WTO boss

24-25 February (Sunday and Monday) EU-League of Arab States summit in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt

24 February (Sunday) May has meeting with Tusk in Egypt ('no deal in the desert')

25 February (Monday) Juncker meets May in Egypt

26 February (Tuesday) Barclay and Cox/Lidington meet Barnier in Brussels???

26 February (Tuesday) May updates the HoC on Brexit, tables amendable motion

27 February (Wednesday) the 5th meaningless vote in HoC cancelled by PM May; replaced by another amendment farce

27 February (Wednesday) regular weekly meeting of the European Commission

5 March (Tuesday) Cox and Barclay in Brussels

6 March (Wednesday) weekly meeting of the European Commission

10 March (Sunday) Barnier in Dublin for the Ireland-France rugby match

12 March (Tuesday) the 6th meaningless vote in HoC - MPs reject the WA+PD again

13 March (Wednesday) Brexit debate in the European Parliament

13 March (Wednesday) the 7th meaningless vote in HoC - the MPs reject no deal (by not actually ruling it out)

14 March (Thursday) the 8th meaningless vote in the HoC - about extension of A50

11-14 March (Monday to Thursday) plenary session of the European Parliament (last chance to ratify the WA - MEPs did NOT vote about endorsing the WA)

18 March (Monday) speaker Bercow rule out another vote on the WA

19 March (Tuesday) EU27 GAC about Brexit (last chance to ratify the WA)

20 March (Wednesday) PM May sends extension letter to the EU27

Arrow 21-22 March (Thursday and Friday) regular meeting of the European Council (28 PMs/presidents); the last European Council meeting at which the British PM will be present

29 March midnight CET (Friday evening) Brexit

1 April (Monday) first working day after Brexit

9 April (Tuesday) 21st EU-China summit in Brussels

11 April (Thursday) deadline for the UK to start legislating for the EU elections

15-18 April (Monday to Thursday): last plenary session of the European Parliament in this mandate

23-26 May EU elections

9 May (Victory in Europe day) EU summit in Sibiu, Romania (first EU summit without the UK)

20-21 June EU summit

1 July Finland takes over the Council presidency (from Romania)

2 July (Tuesday) new MEPs sworn in

2-4 July first session of the new European Parliament

July hearings of a candidate for president of the European Commission

17-18 October EU summit

1 November new European Commission

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